Comments on: Real Linux advocates see shades of grey. http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/ Ubuntard.com Thu, 01 Jul 2010 04:01:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Nikolay http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-3968 Nikolay Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:25:03 +0000 http://ubuntard.com/?p=267#comment-3968 <blockquote> Ubuntard is not about being nice, coddling people and patting them on the head when they make mistakes... It's true that humiliation causes people to retreat, but that's not far from the intent. The fact is, Ubuntard is not mainstream Linux reading material. It’s cynical, it's caustic, and it's an outlet, ... </blockquote> After proudly declaring what Ubuntard is not about the only thing left unclear is what is it about? Your writing is either educational nor helpful. It's about exercising your freedom to be rude without getting punched in the mouth. And guess what. Such writing is an outlet, it's a pose, it's a hope of impressing others, regardless of your interpretation. ps: It is a pity since you have skills. Regards, N

Ubuntard is not about being nice, coddling people and patting them on the head when they make mistakes…

It’s true that humiliation causes people to retreat, but that’s not far from the intent.

The fact is, Ubuntard is not mainstream Linux reading material. It’s cynical, it’s caustic, and it’s an outlet, …

After proudly declaring what Ubuntard is not about the only thing left unclear is what is it about?
Your writing is either educational nor helpful.
It’s about exercising your freedom to be rude without getting punched in the mouth.
And guess what. Such writing is an outlet, it’s a pose, it’s a hope of impressing others, regardless of your interpretation.

ps: It is a pity since you have skills.

Regards,
N

]]> By: Hato http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-3606 Hato Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:00:50 +0000 http://ubuntard.com/?p=267#comment-3606 I miss this blog I miss this blog

]]> By: Will http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-2937 Will Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:22:18 +0000 http://ubuntard.com/?p=267#comment-2937 I have a few opinions on this matter. 1. Ubuntu was made largely for people unfamiliar to linux. I would use something else, like gentoo, but my current pc gives me big problems unless I follow a certain process that is easiest carried out with Ubuntu. 2. If nerds had communication skills, journalists would be worthless. (Oh wait) 3. I like to help people with linux. It make me feel smart. (ROFL!) 4. I have no idea how to do anything with cars past changing oil or tires, and I am properly humbled to most other skill sets, except politics. Those guys are worthless and feed themselves off of a huge system. Mostly, I agree with you though. 5. I have a few opinions on this matter.
1. Ubuntu was made largely for people unfamiliar to linux. I would use something else, like gentoo, but my current pc gives me big problems unless I follow a certain process that is easiest carried out with Ubuntu.

2. If nerds had communication skills, journalists would be worthless. (Oh wait)

3. I like to help people with linux. It make me feel smart. (ROFL!)

4. I have no idea how to do anything with cars past changing oil or tires, and I am properly humbled to most other skill sets, except politics. Those guys are worthless and feed themselves off of a huge system.

Mostly, I agree with you though.

5.

]]> By: unexpert http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-2851 unexpert Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:15:06 +0000 http://ubuntard.com/?p=267#comment-2851 You're just being a retard. The aim of any generation is to ensure the perpetuation of information onto the next. A developer is akin to an author : Would the good author expect the reader to be well-versed in the semantics or intricacies of the language? No. The good author would want his work to be _read_. (Case in point : Pirate Coelho ). A knowledge of the details would be nice, but would definitely not serve as a criterion to exclude! Similarly, when I write OSS, I know that all I want is my work to be used. An in-depth knowledge and contributions would be nice, but nowhere as important as getting the ordinary person familiar with your work. If someone offers to help, you should politely thank, quietly point out their mistakes and carry on, not be a mega-douche. You know, the best ones are the quiet ones. You are certainly not. You’re just being a retard. The aim of any generation is to ensure the perpetuation of information onto the next. A developer is akin to an author : Would the good author expect the reader to be well-versed in the semantics or intricacies of the language? No. The good author would want his work to be _read_. (Case in point : Pirate Coelho ). A knowledge of the details would be nice, but would definitely not serve as a criterion to exclude! Similarly, when I write OSS, I know that all I want is my work to be used. An in-depth knowledge and contributions would be nice, but nowhere as important as getting the ordinary person familiar with your work.

If someone offers to help, you should politely thank, quietly point out their mistakes and carry on, not be a mega-douche.

You know, the best ones are the quiet ones. You are certainly not.

]]> By: Non expert http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-2739 Non expert Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:09:55 +0000 http://ubuntard.com/?p=267#comment-2739 Your logic fails again. You're very proud that you are a Linux expert, but you fail to welcome newcomers to your field of expertise. It's not very different from dictatorship. They also feel that they are the experts and all others are just newbies in the field of politics. If we apply your attitude to all other fields, the world will surely be a miserable and pathetic place. I read the previous post and the related article, and while I can see the author's mistakes, I am well sure that any user looking for critical information will look for a better source. You failed to show anything except your rudeness and arrogance, and as a Linux newbie myself, I am really disgusted by your approach. You gave a new meaning to the word "ubantard." Your logic fails again. You’re very proud that you are a Linux expert, but you fail to welcome newcomers to your field of expertise. It’s not very different from dictatorship. They also feel that they are the experts and all others are just newbies in the field of politics. If we apply your attitude to all other fields, the world will surely be a miserable and pathetic place.

I read the previous post and the related article, and while I can see the author’s mistakes, I am well sure that any user looking for critical information will look for a better source.

You failed to show anything except your rudeness and arrogance, and as a Linux newbie myself, I am really disgusted by your approach. You gave a new meaning to the word “ubantard.”

]]> By: Matt http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-2569 Matt Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:05:22 +0000 http://ubuntard.com/?p=267#comment-2569 Don't worry, the writer is just butthurt because "Ur dissin liunx, man!" Don’t worry, the writer is just butthurt because “Ur dissin liunx, man!”

]]> By: Brad (aka arquebus) http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-2516 Brad (aka arquebus) Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:49:17 +0000 http://ubuntard.com/?p=267#comment-2516 And one other thing, to the commenter above who says: "what ever happened to RTFM?" Is that what you say to your grandmother when her car is broke down, or her TV is on the blink? Do you tell her to RTFM or do you tell her to go to a mechanic or repairman? There are some people who have no desire to use Linux like my Mom, my Mom cant even open a zip file in windows, she would not be served by using Linux. But there are some people who just want Linux for normal use, like browsing the net, listening to mp3's and writing email. For those people we luckily have very helpful people on #ubuntu who can get help on the very few things they cant do like set up wireless or figure out why a certain program keeps crashing. And it is interesting to note that there is nowhere for them to get that kind of help with windows. Now doesnt that say something about the FOSS community? I think the experts who help out on #ubuntu say what is good about the open source community and this blog says something about people who represent what is bad about the open source community. And one other thing, to the commenter above who says:
“what ever happened to RTFM?”
Is that what you say to your grandmother when her car is broke down, or her TV is on the blink? Do you tell her to RTFM or do you tell her to go to a mechanic or repairman?

There are some people who have no desire to use Linux like my Mom, my Mom cant even open a zip file in windows, she would not be served by using Linux. But there are some people who just want Linux for normal use, like browsing the net, listening to mp3’s and writing email. For those people we luckily have very helpful people on #ubuntu who can get help on the very few things they cant do like set up wireless or figure out why a certain program keeps crashing. And it is interesting to note that there is nowhere for them to get that kind of help with windows. Now doesnt that say something about the FOSS community? I think the experts who help out on #ubuntu say what is good about the open source community and this blog says something about people who represent what is bad about the open source community.

]]> By: Brad (aka arquebus) http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-2501 Brad (aka arquebus) Sun, 13 Dec 2009 05:38:01 +0000 http://ubuntard.com/?p=267#comment-2501 This article is just wrong. There is nothing wrong with making a Linux distro as easy to use as windows (ie never touch the console). And that is very ridiculous that certain Linux users (or FOSS users as they like to be called) think that being well versed in the shell should be a minimum requirement for use of Linux/FOSS software. Ive priced courses that teach Linux and they run about $5000 for a one month class. These are not Linux Cert boot camps that cram you with enough knowledge to help you pass a sys admin exam, these are courses that just teach the basic bash commands of copying and moving around files and setting permissions and whatnot. Im not advocating ignorance, I do see the value of learning to use Linux well. But for most people that means taking a course, and for many they dont have the money and/or time to do that. For others they would not have much opportunity to apply what they learned and so it would be a waste of effort. FOSS stands for Free Open Source Software, and that means its free and open to anyone. The Linux geeks who get possessive about people using "their" software have what is a proprietary attitude and would be very unwelcome by someone like Richard Stallman who refuses to associate with people who have such an attitude toward software This article is just wrong. There is nothing wrong with making a Linux distro as easy to use as windows (ie never touch the console). And that is very ridiculous that certain Linux users (or FOSS users as they like to be called) think that being well versed in the shell should be a minimum requirement for use of Linux/FOSS software. Ive priced courses that teach Linux and they run about $5000 for a one month class. These are not Linux Cert boot camps that cram you with enough knowledge to help you pass a sys admin exam, these are courses that just teach the basic bash commands of copying and moving around files and setting permissions and whatnot. Im not advocating ignorance, I do see the value of learning to use Linux well. But for most people that means taking a course, and for many they dont have the money and/or time to do that. For others they would not have much opportunity to apply what they learned and so it would be a waste of effort. FOSS stands for Free Open Source Software, and that means its free and open to anyone. The Linux geeks who get possessive about people using “their” software have what is a proprietary attitude and would be very unwelcome by someone like Richard Stallman who refuses to associate with people who have such an attitude toward software

]]> By: derp http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/real-linux-advocates-see-shades-of-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-2500 derp Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:53:43 +0000 http://ubuntard.com/?p=267#comment-2500 100% agreed. it pains me to see the influx of uneducated people in the FOSS community. what ever happened to RTFM? 100% agreed. it pains me to see the influx of uneducated people in the FOSS community.

what ever happened to RTFM?

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