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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-5748</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 04:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled onto this blog while reading some of my normal &quot;news&quot; regarding the Linux community.

Take my comments for what they are worth, that being an anonymous internet reader/user.

The original &quot;article&quot; needs to be blasted for the simple fact that an &quot;average&quot; pc user migrating to Linux from another OS needs to really learn what the command line is all about, and how the system works.

I personally have a &quot;love-hate&quot; feeling towards Ubuntu and a few other variants of the Debian OS.  While I understand that they are trying to make a distribution &quot;Windows user friendly&quot;, at the same time they are making it too much like Windows where the sudo command is &quot;too easy&quot; to use.  

Go back to &quot;Unix 101&quot; and think about what root privileges really mean.  Using sudo gives a user too much &quot;power&quot; over the whole system.  Ubuntu and the distros based on it make it too easy.

By the same token, Ubuntu has come a long way with making hardware &quot;just work&quot; with a default OS install.  For that, I must commend them.  Making that work just might get a few people to &quot;ditch&quot; paying for an OS, and actually use a free OS.

The bottom line is, if someone is going to write an &quot;article&quot; about a Unix-based OS, they need to have the facts correct, and they need to do some error-checking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled onto this blog while reading some of my normal &#8220;news&#8221; regarding the Linux community.</p>
<p>Take my comments for what they are worth, that being an anonymous internet reader/user.</p>
<p>The original &#8220;article&#8221; needs to be blasted for the simple fact that an &#8220;average&#8221; pc user migrating to Linux from another OS needs to really learn what the command line is all about, and how the system works.</p>
<p>I personally have a &#8220;love-hate&#8221; feeling towards Ubuntu and a few other variants of the Debian OS.  While I understand that they are trying to make a distribution &#8220;Windows user friendly&#8221;, at the same time they are making it too much like Windows where the sudo command is &#8220;too easy&#8221; to use.  </p>
<p>Go back to &#8220;Unix 101&#8243; and think about what root privileges really mean.  Using sudo gives a user too much &#8220;power&#8221; over the whole system.  Ubuntu and the distros based on it make it too easy.</p>
<p>By the same token, Ubuntu has come a long way with making hardware &#8220;just work&#8221; with a default OS install.  For that, I must commend them.  Making that work just might get a few people to &#8220;ditch&#8221; paying for an OS, and actually use a free OS.</p>
<p>The bottom line is, if someone is going to write an &#8220;article&#8221; about a Unix-based OS, they need to have the facts correct, and they need to do some error-checking.</p>
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		<title>By: J Milner</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-4689</link>
		<dc:creator>J Milner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, ls -lh does do something!  From the ls man page:
   -h, --human-readable
   with -l, print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G)

Please be accurate in your rebuttals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, ls -lh does do something!  From the ls man page:<br />
   -h, &#8211;human-readable<br />
   with -l, print sizes in human readable format (e.g., 1K 234M 2G)</p>
<p>Please be accurate in your rebuttals.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo Radley</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-4233</link>
		<dc:creator>Boo Radley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a necessary step towards purging the web of cancer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a necessary step towards purging the web of cancer.</p>
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		<title>By: Scaine</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-3967</link>
		<dc:creator>Scaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Seth : Follow up with a corrected article?  How?  The anonymous author of this article doesn&#039;t claim to have contacted Blair at all.  Pretty cowardly article with an arrogant tone - disappointing in the context of the rest of Ubuntard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Seth : Follow up with a corrected article?  How?  The anonymous author of this article doesn&#8217;t claim to have contacted Blair at all.  Pretty cowardly article with an arrogant tone &#8211; disappointing in the context of the rest of Ubuntard.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Smith</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-2284</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you write a bad piece full of errors this is the type of response you deserve. If she has any future at all in writing she will follow-up with a corrected piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you write a bad piece full of errors this is the type of response you deserve. If she has any future at all in writing she will follow-up with a corrected piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Linux advocates see shades of grey. &#124; A chronicle of Ubuntard stupidity.</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-2274</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Linux advocates see shades of grey. &#124; A chronicle of Ubuntard stupidity.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it appears the last post has attracted substantial attention, with both conflicting and harmonized opinions floating to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it appears the last post has attracted substantial attention, with both conflicting and harmonized opinions floating to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: beenthereseenthat</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-2267</link>
		<dc:creator>beenthereseenthat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@foobarnix:
&quot;My point is that, ideally, users should only respond if they’re reasonably sure their information is correct.&quot;
Free as in &quot;Freedom&quot; eh?
You are a hypocrite!
Where is your concept of freedom of speech?

*IDEALLY* !!
Strike one

&quot;USERS SHOULD *ONLY* RESPOND IF ... &quot; !!!
Strike two

&quot;THEY&#039;RE *REASONABLY SURE* THAT THEIR INFORMATION IS CORRECT&quot;
Strike three.

Freedom of speech, eh?
Free as in freedom, eh?
Free as in free speech, eh?

Ok, now back to normal.
How friendly did that rebuke sound? 
You didn&#039;t feel very friendly thoughts about me, did you?

Same with the n00b who&#039;s starting out.
You see, unless you&#039;re Linus or someone, you were born piddling and stuff and learnt things one at a time yourself.

Can&#039;t you allow another person to do the same?

What if Linus or Andrew or RMS publicly humiliate you on LKML or whatever various mailing lists ytou subscribe to, just because you dont get the latest scheduler algorithm?

Do you like that?

Could you simply not have said:

&quot;The article needs a few corrections, this is how it should be...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@foobarnix:<br />
&#8220;My point is that, ideally, users should only respond if they’re reasonably sure their information is correct.&#8221;<br />
Free as in &#8220;Freedom&#8221; eh?<br />
You are a hypocrite!<br />
Where is your concept of freedom of speech?</p>
<p>*IDEALLY* !!<br />
Strike one</p>
<p>&#8220;USERS SHOULD *ONLY* RESPOND IF &#8230; &#8221; !!!<br />
Strike two</p>
<p>&#8220;THEY&#8217;RE *REASONABLY SURE* THAT THEIR INFORMATION IS CORRECT&#8221;<br />
Strike three.</p>
<p>Freedom of speech, eh?<br />
Free as in freedom, eh?<br />
Free as in free speech, eh?</p>
<p>Ok, now back to normal.<br />
How friendly did that rebuke sound?<br />
You didn&#8217;t feel very friendly thoughts about me, did you?</p>
<p>Same with the n00b who&#8217;s starting out.<br />
You see, unless you&#8217;re Linus or someone, you were born piddling and stuff and learnt things one at a time yourself.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you allow another person to do the same?</p>
<p>What if Linus or Andrew or RMS publicly humiliate you on LKML or whatever various mailing lists ytou subscribe to, just because you dont get the latest scheduler algorithm?</p>
<p>Do you like that?</p>
<p>Could you simply not have said:</p>
<p>&#8220;The article needs a few corrections, this is how it should be&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Yaro</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-2264</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think she deserved it. A train wreck of a list showing all-out incompetence is one thing. If she were JUST incompetent then maybe somethingproductivewould have come from a discrete e-mail correcting her,

But following up the whole mess by calling herself a Linux guru? No, she had it coming. Is there a link to this blog anywhere? I wanna go trolling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think she deserved it. A train wreck of a list showing all-out incompetence is one thing. If she were JUST incompetent then maybe somethingproductivewould have come from a discrete e-mail correcting her,</p>
<p>But following up the whole mess by calling herself a Linux guru? No, she had it coming. Is there a link to this blog anywhere? I wanna go trolling.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-2262</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least the parts with the white background were okay. Pity about the opinionated shit throughout the rest of the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least the parts with the white background were okay. Pity about the opinionated shit throughout the rest of the article.</p>
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		<title>By: Flo</title>
		<link>http://ubuntard.com/2009/12/command-line-idiocy/comment-page-1/#comment-2250</link>
		<dc:creator>Flo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Brockmeier on this one. 

Somehow I see the article in question and this blog&#039;s response - going for the kill - more as a demonstration of absent social skills rather than self-embarrassment made by the author of the original article.

Social skills and tolerance should really become a higher priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Brockmeier on this one. </p>
<p>Somehow I see the article in question and this blog&#8217;s response &#8211; going for the kill &#8211; more as a demonstration of absent social skills rather than self-embarrassment made by the author of the original article.</p>
<p>Social skills and tolerance should really become a higher priority.</p>
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